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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/11/19/social-governance-wont-come-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-70907</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff - Thanks for writing a realistic, fact-based perspective on social software adoption in DC, for an audience that most likely largely has never lived nor worked there. 

I generally agree with everything you assert. There are many obstacles that stand in the way of adoption of social software for a variety of USG missions. 

I think that the vision of having a more &quot;Deliberative Democracy,&quot; in which  the government partly relies on the deliberation of citizens in order to make sound policy decisions (in contrast to Direct Democracy and Representative Democracy) is a good one but it will take time. 

The first priority must not be to get political appointees or principal deputy assistant secretaries to see that Twitter is rad or to form government unconferences and barcamps. It should be to raise awareness via thoughtful writing and briefings geared towards them, and by small experiments showing how small uses of social software can enhance ongoing missions throughout USG. This will eventually lead to good things happening in a more &#039;official&#039; manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff &#8211; Thanks for writing a realistic, fact-based perspective on social software adoption in DC, for an audience that most likely largely has never lived nor worked there. </p>
<p>I generally agree with everything you assert. There are many obstacles that stand in the way of adoption of social software for a variety of USG missions. </p>
<p>I think that the vision of having a more &#8220;Deliberative Democracy,&#8221; in which  the government partly relies on the deliberation of citizens in order to make sound policy decisions (in contrast to Direct Democracy and Representative Democracy) is a good one but it will take time. </p>
<p>The first priority must not be to get political appointees or principal deputy assistant secretaries to see that Twitter is rad or to form government unconferences and barcamps. It should be to raise awareness via thoughtful writing and briefings geared towards them, and by small experiments showing how small uses of social software can enhance ongoing missions throughout USG. This will eventually lead to good things happening in a more &#8216;official&#8217; manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Bradt, Alexandria VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Bradt, Alexandria VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s get out there and challenge the tech community to come up with some ideas and technical solutions to the security challenges that currently block millions of government employees from communicating with the outside world via web 2.0 apps.

I remember in 1992, when I worked for the Canadian Embassy in Washington. We couldn&#039;t email outside government. So I went rogue (okay, with official support and special requests and begging): I got a second computer and dial-up access to the outside world to communicate with the business community who were my clients.

I remember in 1995, when web sites were decried by many government leaders as a waste of time and resources...maybe people recall that the State Department&#039;s export controls division got so far ahead of its mother ship&#039;s bureaucratic curve that their initial web site was www.pmdtc.org (rather than being a .gov).

The enlightened find a way...how can we help leading adopters open a path without needing subterfuge and machetes?

Judy Bradt
Principal
Summit Insight
703 627 1074
judy.bradt@summitinsight.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get out there and challenge the tech community to come up with some ideas and technical solutions to the security challenges that currently block millions of government employees from communicating with the outside world via web 2.0 apps.</p>
<p>I remember in 1992, when I worked for the Canadian Embassy in Washington. We couldn&#8217;t email outside government. So I went rogue (okay, with official support and special requests and begging): I got a second computer and dial-up access to the outside world to communicate with the business community who were my clients.</p>
<p>I remember in 1995, when web sites were decried by many government leaders as a waste of time and resources&#8230;maybe people recall that the State Department&#8217;s export controls division got so far ahead of its mother ship&#8217;s bureaucratic curve that their initial web site was <a href="http://www.pmdtc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pmdtc.org</a> (rather than being a .gov).</p>
<p>The enlightened find a way&#8230;how can we help leading adopters open a path without needing subterfuge and machetes?</p>
<p>Judy Bradt<br />
Principal<br />
Summit Insight<br />
703 627 1074<br />
<a href="mailto:judy.bradt@summitinsight.com">judy.bradt@summitinsight.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Bado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Bado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its ridiculous that DoD personnel are blocked from YouTube, blog talk radio and basically anything with the word blog in it. I&#039;m hoping the new administration can, at the very least, open up internal access points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its ridiculous that DoD personnel are blocked from YouTube, blog talk radio and basically anything with the word blog in it. I&#8217;m hoping the new administration can, at the very least, open up internal access points.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff,

Thanks for keeping the meme going.  I like your take, and as someone who is now part of Uncle Sam&#039;s Big Ol&#039; Family, I share many of your thoughts.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff,</p>
<p>Thanks for keeping the meme going.  I like your take, and as someone who is now part of Uncle Sam&#8217;s Big Ol&#8217; Family, I share many of your thoughts.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Zingsheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Zingsheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff,

Thoughtful post (and thanks for the link). While I&#039;m not a beltway insider, my dad worked for the government for about 30 years before retiring in &#039;89, so I grew up learning about things like the Hatch Act, and later spent some time working in state government myself (in Missouri). The challenges faced with being more open are more complex than one would think. 

However, I do believe that the intelligence and creativity demonstrated by Obama&#039;s campaign means that if any is to make steps in this direction, I think they are. 

Best,
Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff,</p>
<p>Thoughtful post (and thanks for the link). While I&#8217;m not a beltway insider, my dad worked for the government for about 30 years before retiring in &#8216;89, so I grew up learning about things like the Hatch Act, and later spent some time working in state government myself (in Missouri). The challenges faced with being more open are more complex than one would think. </p>
<p>However, I do believe that the intelligence and creativity demonstrated by Obama&#8217;s campaign means that if any is to make steps in this direction, I think they are. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Yarmosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Yarmosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Geoff: I&#039;m from the North...no rebel yell here!

@Steve: Spare me your social media strategy lecture. You can use that with your clients. I&#039;m tired of people making up catch phrases and I was calling Geoff out on it. The post simply shouldn&#039;t be titled with &quot;social governance&quot; - it makes no sense. I agree with your point and his -- but let&#039;s stop creating and using jargon simply because it embraces the authentic-markets-are-conversations-transparency-openness-utopian nature that dominates social media circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Geoff: I&#8217;m from the North&#8230;no rebel yell here!</p>
<p>@Steve: Spare me your social media strategy lecture. You can use that with your clients. I&#8217;m tired of people making up catch phrases and I was calling Geoff out on it. The post simply shouldn&#8217;t be titled with &#8220;social governance&#8221; &#8211; it makes no sense. I agree with your point and his &#8212; but let&#8217;s stop creating and using jargon simply because it embraces the authentic-markets-are-conversations-transparency-openness-utopian nature that dominates social media circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Radick</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/11/19/social-governance-wont-come-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-70472</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Radick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ken - give me a break. I don&#039;t think that Geoff is suggesting that the general public is going to start governing itself. Rather, by using these tools, that representative that we pick is better able to represent us. By using social media, that person has an increased ability to monitor and participate in conversations. I don&#039;t think that anyone is suggesting that social media becomes a referendum.  It&#039;s simply another, improved way to gather and analyze information.  It will still be up to our elected officials to make the decisions, but at least they&#039;ll have a better idea of what the general populace thinks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ken &#8211; give me a break. I don&#8217;t think that Geoff is suggesting that the general public is going to start governing itself. Rather, by using these tools, that representative that we pick is better able to represent us. By using social media, that person has an increased ability to monitor and participate in conversations. I don&#8217;t think that anyone is suggesting that social media becomes a referendum.  It&#8217;s simply another, improved way to gather and analyze information.  It will still be up to our elected officials to make the decisions, but at least they&#8217;ll have a better idea of what the general populace thinks!</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Dozier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma Dozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another big one (and I&#039;ll admit my bias here, I&#039;m a 22-just-out-of-college-year-old who works on the Web team for Army.mil) I think you are missing, Geoff, is age. I don&#039;t know how old you all are - and I don&#039;t mean to offend anyone - but it&#039;s almost impossible for my 20-something coworkers and I to convince anyone over 40 to open up ao &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; form of communication. 

It&#039;s a stereotype, I know. There are many exceptions. But all too often the &quot;fogies&quot; laugh off us &quot;young kids.&quot; I think this is a bigger problem in government than elsewhere, probably mostly because of the demographics of D.C. workers. &lt;a href=&quot;http://generationshift.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Krzmarzick&lt;/a&gt; would be the expert on this idea, me thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another big one (and I&#8217;ll admit my bias here, I&#8217;m a 22-just-out-of-college-year-old who works on the Web team for Army.mil) I think you are missing, Geoff, is age. I don&#8217;t know how old you all are &#8211; and I don&#8217;t mean to offend anyone &#8211; but it&#8217;s almost impossible for my 20-something coworkers and I to convince anyone over 40 to open up ao <em>any</em> form of communication. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a stereotype, I know. There are many exceptions. But all too often the &#8220;fogies&#8221; laugh off us &#8220;young kids.&#8221; I think this is a bigger problem in government than elsewhere, probably mostly because of the demographics of D.C. workers. <a href="http://generationshift.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Andrew Krzmarzick</a> would be the expert on this idea, me thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spare me the rebel yell, Ken. Democracy is questionable given the 2000 and 2004 elections. And democracy is a system of governance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare me the rebel yell, Ken. Democracy is questionable given the 2000 and 2004 elections. And democracy is a system of governance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Yarmosh</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/11/19/social-governance-wont-come-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-70427</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Yarmosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social governance, Geoff? We live in a representative democracy, not whatever &quot;social governance&quot; is. We put people in power based on how best we think they&#039;ll represent us. Once they are there, they don&#039;t make their decisions based on &quot;the wisdom of the crowds.&quot; 

There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect with the title and the idea. Social governance seems to be a Geoff Livingston created governing philosophy; your post is about using social media in the government. But thanks for the definition. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social governance, Geoff? We live in a representative democracy, not whatever &#8220;social governance&#8221; is. We put people in power based on how best we think they&#8217;ll represent us. Once they are there, they don&#8217;t make their decisions based on &#8220;the wisdom of the crowds.&#8221; </p>
<p>There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect with the title and the idea. Social governance seems to be a Geoff Livingston created governing philosophy; your post is about using social media in the government. But thanks for the definition. :-D</p>
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