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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52328</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamera: I think you are mistaken.  But we can have differing point of views. It&#039;s not that they are new, it&#039;s that there&#039;s an unprecedented level of obnoxious, decadent behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamera: I think you are mistaken.  But we can have differing point of views. It&#8217;s not that they are new, it&#8217;s that there&#8217;s an unprecedented level of obnoxious, decadent behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamera Kremer</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52325</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamera Kremer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, 

It&#039;s been highly public for at least a decade on message boards and the early blogs -- think DemocraticUnderground, FreeRepublic, DailyKos, sports message boards, Kuro5hin, Slashdot, etc. etc. Sockpuppets, flame wars, and the lot have been around for years, and in internet years it is history. 

Politicians have been paying attention for at least 5 years now and interacting. PR and marketing have pushed it further into the mainstream, but the archive is still there. These battles have all been fought before and if you were in the tech or political space it certainly could impact your reputation.

My point is exactly that Amanda Chapel and such characters are not new to the *Internet* but are new to the *PR* portion of the online world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been highly public for at least a decade on message boards and the early blogs &#8212; think DemocraticUnderground, FreeRepublic, DailyKos, sports message boards, Kuro5hin, Slashdot, etc. etc. Sockpuppets, flame wars, and the lot have been around for years, and in internet years it is history. </p>
<p>Politicians have been paying attention for at least 5 years now and interacting. PR and marketing have pushed it further into the mainstream, but the archive is still there. These battles have all been fought before and if you were in the tech or political space it certainly could impact your reputation.</p>
<p>My point is exactly that Amanda Chapel and such characters are not new to the *Internet* but are new to the *PR* portion of the online world.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52323</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian (a.ka.a. Geoff): We&#039;ll talk.

Lewis: You are the man. Real marketers don&#039;t spend without true opportunity.

Liz: That is the most appropo comment I&#039;ve read in a long time.

Tamera:  This is highly public now, in a way that history has never seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian (a.ka.a. Geoff): We&#8217;ll talk.</p>
<p>Lewis: You are the man. Real marketers don&#8217;t spend without true opportunity.</p>
<p>Liz: That is the most appropo comment I&#8217;ve read in a long time.</p>
<p>Tamera:  This is highly public now, in a way that history has never seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamera Kremer</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52314</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamera Kremer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #3 this is nothing new. Go back to usenets, political blogs, etc. from years or a decade ago and you&#039;ll see the same phenom. That&#039;s part of what the appeal of the internet is to the masses. It&#039;s a social behaviour that has been well documented in academic studies from before WYSIWYG... But that leads back to another one of your points re: understanding the history before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #3 this is nothing new. Go back to usenets, political blogs, etc. from years or a decade ago and you&#8217;ll see the same phenom. That&#8217;s part of what the appeal of the internet is to the masses. It&#8217;s a social behaviour that has been well documented in academic studies from before WYSIWYG&#8230; But that leads back to another one of your points re: understanding the history before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52299</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an outsider, trying to make sense of the tech/media/marketing juggernaut that is social networking and you express so many of the thoughts that have arisen as I try to understand this self-important and insular little world. 

I worked in the music industry for eight years and it makes me laugh out loud every time I hear a blogger referred to as a &quot;rockstar&quot; and to his readers as &quot;fans&quot;...what hubris! The only quality I can see that musicians and some (the most read) bloggers have is a high degree of self-absorption. And they both travel excessively, musicians on tour and bloggers on an endless series of tech and marketing conferences. They both live in for half of the year in hotels. But that is where any similarity ends. 

This whole universe makes for a fascinating case study...before the pendulum swings in the other direction and people are too depressed or broke to want to talk about it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an outsider, trying to make sense of the tech/media/marketing juggernaut that is social networking and you express so many of the thoughts that have arisen as I try to understand this self-important and insular little world. </p>
<p>I worked in the music industry for eight years and it makes me laugh out loud every time I hear a blogger referred to as a &#8220;rockstar&#8221; and to his readers as &#8220;fans&#8221;&#8230;what hubris! The only quality I can see that musicians and some (the most read) bloggers have is a high degree of self-absorption. And they both travel excessively, musicians on tour and bloggers on an endless series of tech and marketing conferences. They both live in for half of the year in hotels. But that is where any similarity ends. </p>
<p>This whole universe makes for a fascinating case study&#8230;before the pendulum swings in the other direction and people are too depressed or broke to want to talk about it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Zingsheim</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Zingsheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post...one thought on emailing press releases. In my opinion, it isn&#039;t the medium (emailing) that has lost effectiveness, it&#039;s the releases themselves. There are too many, they are poorly written and badly executed, and worst of all, most times contain no news. Every PR pro should make it a goal to cut the number of releases they send in half, if not more.

I agree with the prospect that we may be returning to a more balanced state of things. Everything--from overheated economies to overpriced housing markets--wants to reach an equilibrium.

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post&#8230;one thought on emailing press releases. In my opinion, it isn&#8217;t the medium (emailing) that has lost effectiveness, it&#8217;s the releases themselves. There are too many, they are poorly written and badly executed, and worst of all, most times contain no news. Every PR pro should make it a goal to cut the number of releases they send in half, if not more.</p>
<p>I agree with the prospect that we may be returning to a more balanced state of things. Everything&#8211;from overheated economies to overpriced housing markets&#8211;wants to reach an equilibrium.</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff,

Wonderful post and well-written. Thanks! Since I know marketing and communications best, let me address that one area. The vast majority of businesses have not rushed to embrace social media because they are well aware of the effects you describe using pendulum as metaphor. They await the balance of which you speak. Because the smart and experienced executives, marketers and communicators understand that conversation, information and knowledge are not shared via any single medium but instead require the integration of media. Some social media tools will (and already are to some extent) become on of business&#039;s communications/conversation tools to create customer experiences that cannot be duplicated through the use of many of the tools currently most in use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff,</p>
<p>Wonderful post and well-written. Thanks! Since I know marketing and communications best, let me address that one area. The vast majority of businesses have not rushed to embrace social media because they are well aware of the effects you describe using pendulum as metaphor. They await the balance of which you speak. Because the smart and experienced executives, marketers and communicators understand that conversation, information and knowledge are not shared via any single medium but instead require the integration of media. Some social media tools will (and already are to some extent) become on of business&#8217;s communications/conversation tools to create customer experiences that cannot be duplicated through the use of many of the tools currently most in use.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52294</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff:  where does one get in on this blogger/speaker groupie action you mention?  I must be doing the wrong conferences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff:  where does one get in on this blogger/speaker groupie action you mention?  I must be doing the wrong conferences.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara Kretler</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52293</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara Kretler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, okay that&#039;s an excellent point. What I&#039;m seeing as evolution/moving on to the next thing really is the pendulum swinging back on itself. I guess I just don&#039;t want to see it happen with social media so I&#039;m in denial about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, okay that&#8217;s an excellent point. What I&#8217;m seeing as evolution/moving on to the next thing really is the pendulum swinging back on itself. I guess I just don&#8217;t want to see it happen with social media so I&#8217;m in denial about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/2008/06/23/the-pendulum-swing/comment-page-1/#comment-52290</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Geoff. Particulary I agree with the point, &quot;sooner or later professionally developed content will see an uptick in demand.&quot;  

Whether we acknoledge it or not, bloggers often depend on the news gathering operations of large organizations for content. However, we&#039;ve seen some changes with things like the Fowler/Huffington Post story.  Will that be an exception or the rule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Geoff. Particulary I agree with the point, &#8220;sooner or later professionally developed content will see an uptick in demand.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Whether we acknoledge it or not, bloggers often depend on the news gathering operations of large organizations for content. However, we&#8217;ve seen some changes with things like the Fowler/Huffington Post story.  Will that be an exception or the rule?</p>
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